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By jazz_music following x   2017 Oct 4, 1:17pm 417 views   21 comments   watch   quote     share  

... and disabuse yourselves of the reasons for "Police Lives Matter," or "All Lives Matter,"

There are problems that we need to urgently need to solve, and don't let any LYING FUCKING MEMES bully you into thinking that this is another time to look away from the FUCKING WELL DOCUMENTED atrocities, before you get out in the street and find out that it is YOU who are the nigger getting gunned down like a fucking dog!

Civil oversight!
1 anonymous   2017 Oct 4, 2:29pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
You’re crazy. Get help for substance abuse.
2 jazz_music   2017 Oct 4, 2:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
You're crazy. A little troll coward that SOMEHOW expects to be treated like a man. LOL LOL LOL
5 iwog   2017 Oct 4, 3:02pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
There are two issues here:

1. Do the police use excessive force and frequently kill people who are not a mortal threat to the officer? The answer to this is overwhelmingly YES. Our police forces are full of authoritarian 'something-to-prove' assholes who very often get off on the authority they hold over civilians. I've experienced this myself, I know it's true beyond question, and the cops who are honest admit it. We need a way of identifying these psychologically damaged men and women so we can exclude them from wearing a badge.

2. Do police overwhelmingly kill black people in greater numbers than white people. I'm not talking about a statistical difference within the margin of error, I'm talking about clear bias as can be demonstrated when you look at police interactions with men versus women. I don't think this bias exists.

(article dated July 2015) As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).

The bias of the article is that they think this needs to be adjusted for population in which case you can prove many more blacks than whites are killed/murdered by police. However this is an extremely dishonest way to calculate the rate. For whatever reason, poverty certainly being a big factor, statistically many more police calls are for black people than white people. Also inner city calls, which tend to have much heavier black populations, are generally for violent crimes and crimes that involve firearms. Much more frequently than in the country or the suburbs.

So are there a lot of bad cops? Yes but they kill people of all races and I have never seen any study conclusively showing black people are killed at higher rates when all things are adjusted for.
6 jazz_music   2017 Oct 4, 3:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
@rpanic01 yeah well that help doesn't fix anything.

There's a major problem that you would ignore at your own peril.

This is divisive shit.
7 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Oct 4, 3:11pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
The most popular novelty T-shirt in police supply stores is the classic:

OPERATION GHETTO STORM T-shirt that features a burning tenement with a helicopter hovering over it.

Been an evergreen items since the 1990s, at least since the demented MOVE bombing in Philadelphia.

Lotta cops wear them under their uniforms.
8 rpanic01   2017 Oct 4, 3:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
jazz_music says
There's a major problem that you would ignore at your own peril.

This is divisive shit.


Indeed it is, that's why the easiest way to take over is to divide and conquer. It's Shameful how the media and powers that be have been pushing our population this way.
9 Quigley   2017 Oct 4, 3:20pm   ↑ like (4)   ↑ dislike (4)     quote        
jazz_music says
This is divisive shit.


That accurately describes 100% of the Leftist platform.
10 jazz_music   2017 Oct 4, 5:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
authoritarian 'something-to-prove' assholes who very often get off on the authority they hold over civilians.


A likely major IMPROVEMENT would be a way to find out the cops that use steroids because there are a lot of them now and no one can prove it because they are insulated against both drug testing and prosecution.
Plus alcohol use on the job happens too.

As it is the police operate like a mafia and they want enough discretion to continue acting that way too. "Authoritarian" they want to be the law, and that is an expectation that exceeds even mafiosos.

It's amazing how many of them finally get brought down by their molesting and raping. Does that tell you something about the need for oversight?

I don't know whether the character flaw is created by the work or the character flaw is attracted to this line of work, but there it is.
11 jazz_music   2017 Oct 5, 2:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        


Neutralizing black lives in non-lethal ways: By hyper-policing areas where people of color are concentrated, the vote can be neutralized in many states. Just look at those southern and redneck states.

Also there is a gravy train known as the system and once they get their hooks in you they extract a toll which endures and dominates the lives of those who sufficiently poor all they ever did was cop a plea out of financial pragmatism and a lot of bullying and intimidation from glib officers armed with prosecutorial overreach.

I'm saying these things because I'm impressed with how many white people don't already know them and then they get a big shock when they wind up in a bad situation because the better your neighborhood is the more respectfully police pussy foot around it, but they can still catch you on the odd moment at a bad location and then wow look out!
12 jazz_music   2017 Oct 5, 2:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
It makes a big difference in your world whether or not minorities are allowed to vote unmolested.

If you are white, black lives still matter, that is the point. That point is a strong one that gets muddied by saying Tom Dick and Harry lives matter, and worst yet when you say police lives matter. Don't you know that the police are not there to correct injustices and help people? Police are there to protect the stores, landlords, the rich and most of all each other so they can get a nice life with deluxe retirements. You are there to be bled by them so the rich don't have to pay for their own protection.

They bleed the poor most of all because that way they always win.
13 jazz_music   2017 Oct 5, 3:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
And don't be the dipshit who answers this by changing the subject to me.
14 Fucking White Male   2017 Oct 5, 4:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
It may just have something to do with blacks being the majority of illegally carrying guns arrests while comprising 10% of the population.
15 jazz_music   2017 Oct 5, 6:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
People can tell when they are the ones that are being used mercilessly to fund this overgrown and corrupt system, that's a big part of their unification.

They all have good reason to fight. Legal or not it is going to happen any time there is no justice there will be no peace. It is now and it always has been.

Now you don't like it, but you really won't like it when all this injustice affects you and your family in one way or the other and the police are not going to save you. Kissing ass won't help. Trump is not going to save you. Doubling down on this soulless con artist is not going to help either.

Ok they did this they did that. You would have a hard time getting by without money too. This is a dangerous situation period.

Stuffing the prisons with minorities and pot smokers is a mistake. It increases the economy and makes a great investment, but this is an investment in human trafficking. This is dirty filthy money that capitalists are mercilessly extracting as they always do because no one is insisting that they stop. We have the leading prison industry on the planet, we are crazy for doing that. This situation is insane. Being white and STEM employed is not your ticket to "I'm too sexy" status.

Are you beginning to see why black lives matter to you? We need as many people as possible contributing to this economy, and that means blowing money too, not just on penalties, and being socially active insisting on more participation in the growing pie insead of always less and less. This is a good point that needs to retain the integrity of the idea into people's minds and hearts. This is a bad time to be divisive. It will cost you and probably all of us who aren't the leading capitalists.
16 jazz_music   2017 Oct 6, 11:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
MAGA: UNRAVEL THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST and achieve real justice and rational basis for a more peaceful American population.

Left to their own devices, enforcement passes laws granting them ever greater discretion to wreak violence on the population in the name of forcing better compliance the law: currently examples include warrantless forcible entry, civil confiscation, policies that practically indemnify officers that kill, injure and wreak destruction based on anonymous tips. (which can be the officers themselves on a grudge) Policies that protect officers from drug testing, questioning by a prosecutor, relieve them of admitting to exculpatory evidence pertaining to the accused.

Public policies are especially convenient to policing and enforcement by the fact that many of local government offices are staffed by either ex-officio officers or landlords. (landlords and store owners have a specially beneficial use for enforcement and a vested interest in getting those needs at taxpayer's expense as well as creating penalties that fund the bulk of enforcement)

AS IT STANDS, EXPECT THAT SADISM AND OTHER UNSAVORY UNPROSECUTABLE CRIMINAL BEHAVIORS ARE CAUSED BY THE JOB OF ENFORCEMENT.

CIVIL OVERSIGHT WITH REAL AUTHORITY is the way to avoid proven structural flaws of the unbridled authority and the discretion to act irresponsibly, on the part of enforcement.

Cutting through all the scholastic writing tones found below, you can see that policing as we now have it structured places an unbearable burden on the officer to behave in an unaffected way to the expectations of his role. (not just the stress of the job as many of you would think)

Stanford Prison Experiment 1971 and BBC Prison Study in 2002. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment The experiment's results favor situational attribution of behavior over dispositional attribution (a result caused by internal characteristics). It seemed that the situation, rather than their individual personalities, caused the participants' behavior.

The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures at Yale beginning in 1961 pursued similar behavior effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
17 Strategist   2017 Oct 11, 6:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
jazz_music says
And don't be the dipshit who answers this by changing the subject to me.


OK everyone, DO NOT CHANGE THE SUBJECT. Jazz wants to to talk about how "life sucks" How he lives in misery like 99% of the US population. And if you don't live in misery, you are a capitalist asshole who deserves the guillotine. That the top 1% stole from the welfare Queens and the poor. The world is going to end, and the only way to stop it is to revolt against law enforcement, overthrow the government, and become communists. That way we can all be rich by doing nothing.
I love your plan Jazz. When do we start?
18 Strategist   2017 Oct 12, 9:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
No one interested in Jazz's misery? No one?
Sorry Jazz, Patnetters are more interested in sex, politics, and religion. They are such assholes.
19 me123   2017 Oct 12, 9:37am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Strategist says
No one interested in Jazz's misery?


Strategist says
Jazz wants to to talk...


...to himself. Don't feed the troll, he has enough issues with mental illness.
20 HEY YOU   2017 Oct 12, 10:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
jazz_music says
And don't be the dipshit who answers this by changing the subject to me.


Being on Patnet is all about "me"!

lolStrategist says
They are such assholes.


The only requirement to be on Patnet.

Pattnetters catching hell.
21 Heraclitusstudent   2017 Oct 12, 12:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
1. Do the police use excessive force and frequently kill people who are not a mortal threat to the officer? The answer to this is overwhelmingly YES. Our police forces are full of authoritarian 'something-to-prove' assholes who very often get off on the authority they hold over civilians. I've experienced this myself, I know it's true beyond question, and the cops who are honest admit it. We need a way of identifying these psychologically damaged men and women so we can exclude them from wearing a badge.


Many cops are thugs maybe, some are killers, but many people do not understand if you try to go mano a mano on a cop, he will shoot you. There is a gun on the scene and the cop cannot afford to lose.

If the cop has a gun pointed toward you and you walk toward him with your hand behind your back, then you are committing suicide.

At the end of the day, being a cop is a job. You can't risk your life every day because you will end up losing it. They need to stay on the safe side always, as a question of survival.

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