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Artificial hysteria cranked up by the Offendedness Cartel

By someone else following x   2018 Jun 24, 10:21am 1,836 views   24 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/dont-cry-rachel-maddow/

I won’t waste more than this sentence in arguing that official policy for the treatment of juvenile illegal immigrants is exactly what it was under Mr. Obama, and Mr. Bush before him. I didn’t hear Paul Krugman of The New York Times hollering about the various federal agencies acting “like Nazis” back in 2014, or 2006. You’d think that ICE officers were taking these kids out behind the dumpster and shooting them in the head.


Lol, no, that was a proposal from our very own Apocalypsefuck.

Krugman of The Times really hit the ball out of the park today with his diatribe comparing US Immigration enforcement to the Nazis treatment of the Jews. As a person of the Hebrew persuasion myself, I rather resent the reckless hijacking of this bit of history for the purpose of aggrandizing the sentimentally fake moral righteousness of the Resistance. It actually diminishes the enormity of the Nazi campaign against European Jews. I daresay that commentary like Krugman’s will only serve to amplify a growing resentment of Jewish intellectuals in this country — including myself, increasingly the target of anti-Jewish calumnies and objurgations. You’d think that Mr. Trump had offered to blow up Ellis Island the way the Resistance is clamoring to pull down statues of Thomas Jefferson.
1   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 24, 10:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Gee, does this mean that Trump is worse than HITLER?
2   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 11:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

In our polarized world these days, the thing that's so different, is that people can't even agree on the facts.

Yes, of course it was always true that if someone that had children with them, was arrested, that they would end up separated from their children. And also there were always facilitates for unaccompanied minors (i.e that were illegal immigrants). .

The thing that was different here was the frequency and degree that immigrants were arrested at the border, and a basically blanket policy of separating parents and children at the border. That policy was new, and has ended for now becasue of political pressure from the media.

What is the law regarding the treatment of migrant children?

A two-decade-old court settlement, the Flores settlement, and a law called the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act both specify how the government must treat migrant children.

They require that migrant children be placed in "the least restrictive environment" or sent to live with family members. They also limit how long families with children can be detained; courts have interpreted that limit as 20 days.

Previous administrations have released families to meet these requirements. President Trump has said the law requires him to separate families, which is not true. His advisers have presented a more complicated argument for how the law requires family separation.

"The laws prohibit us from detaining families while they go through prosecution," Nielsen said on Monday — a reference to the 20-day limits on how long children can be detained. Therefore, she says, "we cannot detain families together."

She argues that that leaves the administration with the options of not enforcing the law, which it rejects, or separating families. But immigration advocates and legal experts say that there are other options, including those that previous administrations have chosen.

What was the policy under President Obama?

The Obama administration established family detention centers that kept families together while their cases were processed. Trump's executive order appears to effectively revive this policy.

The Obama-era centers were sharply criticized for keeping children detained even if they were still with their parents. A court ruled that those detention centers violated the Flores agreement and that families should be released together.

The Obama White House also had a policy of releasing families through a program called Alternatives to Detention that still allowed them to be closely supervised — for instance, by giving mothers ankle monitors before releasing them.

The ACLU welcomed the Alternatives to Detention program, but other immigrant-rights groups had reservations.


https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family-separation-and-zero-tolerance-at-the-border
3   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2018 Jun 24, 12:43pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

The list of all the feminists who defended Sarah Huckabee Sanders today...

1.

2.

3

4.

5.

Thought feminism was about "empowering" strong women? What a damn joke.
4   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 12:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What the hell does feminism have to do with some idiot restaurant owners mistreatment of a customer, that happened to be a woman ?

Wtf ?

You're going to be hard pressed to find anyone advocating for the stupid actions of the owner of that restaurant. This is another stupid media distraction like the guy that through the water on that Fox News lady.

You have to give credit to the right wing for their ability to manufacture these distractions for their base.
5   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2018 Jun 24, 12:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
What the hell does feminism have to do with some idiot restaurant owners mistreatment of a customer, that happened to be a woman ?

Wtf ?


I'm sorry I don't seem to recall the Feminist movement picking and choosing who qualifies as Women.
So you're saying it's just a petty propaganda branch of Marxist Liberal filth peddlers intent on destroying American norms so they inject Marxism.
By destroying our Nuclear family norms and what is polite acceptable behavior in public, while they normalize vile subhuman filth to harangue American people going to and from work and participating in our economy. Because Rachael Maddow's feels are upset?

Well fucking good luck with that Loser plan. Quit Squirming Liberal Losers this will be over January 2019.
6   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 12:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
I'm sorry I don't seem to recall the Feminist movement picking and choosing who qualifies as Women.


You must be really high. Are we talking about the same thing ? What did that idiots kicking Huckabee out of his restaurant have to do with her being a woman ?
7   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 24, 1:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
In our polarized world these days, the thing that's so different, is that people can't even agree on the facts.


Very True..

If it's printed in the NYT, CNN or Wapo or spewed on Rachel Maddow, or NPR, then it's undisputed facts.

If it's printed on Fox News or Breitbart, it's absolutely false!!

How's that?
8   HEYYOU   ignore (26)   2018 Jun 24, 1:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
The list of all the feminists who defended Sarah Huckabee Sanders today...

1.

2.

3

4.

5.

Thought feminism was about "empowering" strong women? What a damn joke.


They are FREE to not speak up for Republican slime.
Why do you hate Freedom.

Your trolling really needs help.
9   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 24, 2:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
The list of all the feminists who defended Sarah Huckabee Sanders today...

1.

2.

3

4.

5.

Thought feminism was about "empowering" strong women? What a damn joke.

Trigglypuff will show up and steamroller anybody you point to for a beer and a smoke.
10   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 4:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says

If it's printed on Fox News or Breitbart, it's absolutely false!!

How's that?


No this is how it works.

You and many others, even Patrick, apparently want to believe that policies regarding treatment of children (re: tendencies to separate them from their parents) at the border were the same under Obama. And yes, in your echo chamber you can find otherwise smart people such as Ben Shapiro that will imply that to be true.

And if you wanted the truth, yes, it's going to be easier to find if you are capable of reading sources such as NYT and NPR even if they are more reality based than you like, and even if yes, sometimes they have a slightly left skewed bias.

The thing about smart conservatives is that they will read NYT and NPR knowing that there's a ton of good journalism going on there even if they are annoyed by the bias. The bias is real, but often it's nothing more than the fact that reality has a liberal bias (contradicting the lies you are being programmed with from the right).
11   Misc   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 24, 4:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The people who elected Trump want to greatly curtail illegal immigration. Continuing the failed policies of previous administrations doesn't change anything. What would you recommend as a solution?
12   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 4:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Misc says
Continuing the failed policies of previous administrations doesn't change anything. What would you recommend as a solution?


I would start by trying real hard to find the facts about previous administrations.

Here are two facts.

Obama increased border security a lot and net illegal immigration at the border decreased by a huge amount during his admin. The number of illegal immigrants held steady during the Obama years, partly becasue of deportations or becasue of people leaving on their own. SOme argue that if OBama had done better the numbers would have dropped by a couple million.


The Border Patrol’s budget has expanded from $5.9 billion 2003 to $11.9 billion in 2013, while ICE’s grew from $3.3 billion to $5.9 billion. As of 2013, the two agencies had a total budget of nearly $18 billion, and that number increased to nearly $20 billion in 2016.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-deported-more-people/



A lot of illegal immigration is from people that get here other ways besides crossing the border. For example they fly here, perhaps with a visa and simply stay.

One more fact, but this one is my own assertion rather than something I've read by people citing data and reliable sources. Regardless of how many people actually can now come in, there are a lot of illegals here, doing cash work and or working and paying in to SS they may never get. People are unhappy about that, and appreciate Trumps con artistry and lies that he's going to do something substantial about it. Trump's unnecessarily cruel policy at the border was probably, like his stupid trade policies, an attempt to prove to himself and others that he will back up at least some of his stupid lies with tough actions. He seems to believe that if it pisses off liberals, it must be good.

You know, because he's not deep state. He's not liberal elite. He's this really cool outsider that's entertaining us and who is really making America great again.
13   Misc   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 24, 4:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So your solution is to continue the failed policies?
14   Misc   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 24, 4:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Also, by doing cash work that pretty much excludes funds going into social security because there is no electronic transfer.
15   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 4:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Misc says
So your solution is to continue the failed policies?


I don't claim to have a solution. This will be my last response to your trolls.

If I were trolling you back, I would say something like:

So you think that intentionally getting a lot of attention for unnecessary cruelty toward immigrant families, separating them from their children is much of a solution ?

marcus says
Also, by doing cash work that pretty much excludes funds going into social security because there is no electronic transfer.


Brilliant . THat's why I referred to both, not defending. Remember my point is about facts. If you want to have less polarization, we need to start by agreeing on facts.

marcus says
doing cash work and or working and paying in to SS they may never get.
16   HEYYOU   ignore (26)   2018 Jun 24, 5:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Artificial hysteria!
Iraq has WMD!
Benghazi!
Emails!
Selling children out of a pizza parlor.OMG!

Republicans would probably go hysterical if their children were shot in a mass shooting.
They need to calm down. It's happened to others. The kids are going to die, anyway.

"As a person of the Hebrew persuasion myself, I rather resent the reckless hijacking of this bit of history for the purpose of aggrandizing the sentimentally fake moral righteousness of the Resistance. It actually diminishes the enormity of the Nazi campaign against European Jews."

Let's turn people from S.America into Jews to be a butt hurt Snowflake.
Hitler didn't finish the job.
Hitler was a pussy cat compared to Lucifer when he deals with these Blasphemers,understand that blaspheme supporting Christian Right?

Hypocrisy is entertaining.
17   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 24, 5:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
You and many others, even Patrick, apparently want to believe that policies regarding treatment of children (re: tendencies to separate them from their parents) at the border were the same under Obama.


Why are Liberals so twisted about a few thousand kids separated from their ILLEGAL criminal alien parents on the Southern border, but don't give a shit about all the MILLIONS of LEGAL American citizen kids who are separated from their CITIZEN American parents who are criminals (drugs, murders, robbery, assault, DWI, etc.)

Strange Hypocritical Liberal Logic??
18   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 6:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Strange Hypocritical Liberal Logic??


Here's some logic that even you should understand. Being concerned with one thing doesn't speak to the degree to which someone is concerned about something else.

"what about Hillary" or "what about OBama" is exactly the kind of non logical thinking that too many idiots in this country thrive on. Newsflash: IT's nothing close to an argument.
19   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2018 Jun 24, 6:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Stupid New Yorker magazine fact checker sticks her foot down her throat and chokes her career to death.
HAHAHA Shut up Liberals, on second thought let me get you a bullhorn.


https://www.stripes.com/news/us/writer-resigns-from-new-yorker-magazine-after-twitter-flap-over-marine-vet-s-tattoo-1.534340

Talia Lavin, whose tweet about a veteran’s tattoo implied he was a Nazi, has apologized to him and resigned from her position as a fact-checker at the New Yorker magazine.

But in another tweet, Thursday evening, Lavin also lashed out at the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, saying it unfairly targeted her in its own tweet about combat-wounded veteran Justin Gaertner.

"This has been a wild and difficult week," Lavin said in the tweet. "I owe ICE agent Justin Gaertner a sincere apology for spreading an rumor about his tattoo. However, I do not think it is acceptable for a federal agency to target a private citizen for a good faith, hastily rectified error."

A Twitter storm erupted last weekend after Lavin’s tweet about a cross-shaped tattoo on Gaertner’s elbow drew a response from ICE saying she had "essentially labeled him a Nazi."

Later, Lavin tweeted, "I had become a weapon used to discredit my colleagues and the vital work they do holding power to account. As a result, I have resigned after three years at the New Yorker."
20   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 6:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
Talia Lavin, whose tweet about a veteran’s tattoo implied he was a Nazi, has apologized to him and resigned from her position as a fact-checker at the New Yorker magazine.


My respect goes out to her, and especially to the New Yorker.

I won't be holding my breath until someone from Brietbart has to apologize and resign for a similar (or worse level) error of judgement.

This speaks perfectly to the difference between the integrity of left leaning media versus Brietbart, Fox, Infowars or talk radio. I doubt that even Ben Shapiro is going to be elaborating/correcting and refining his defense of Trumps recent border policies regarding children being separated from parents more often than necessary.
21   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 24, 6:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Sniper says
Strange Hypocritical Liberal Logic??


Here's some logic that even you should understand. Being concerned with one thing doesn't speak to the degree to which someone is concerned about something else.


Exactly right, when it come to Liberals...

They're ALWAYS concerned about the "fringe" areas, and NEVER concerned about issues pertaining to the majority.. they focus on the "needles" instead of the "haystacks".

Why is that?


22   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 24, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
You're right that it's a fringe issue. But you're wrong that it's a big deal or took up a lot of time or energy or was high on the priority list for liberals. To liberals it's a trivial matter. It's a fringe issue that's blown out of proportion by right wingers, for obvious reasons. IT sells their dishonest message that this type of thing is a priority on the left.

Your ideology is driven by lies.


To think there are kids in a classroom exposed to......

extremely scary...
23   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2018 Jun 24, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Tenpoundbass says
Talia Lavin, whose tweet about a veteran’s tattoo implied he was a Nazi, has apologized to him and resigned from her position as a fact-checker at the New Yorker magazine.


My respect goes out to her, and especially to the New Yorker.

I won't be holding my breath until someone from Brietbart has to apologize and resign for a similar (or worse level) error of judgement.

This speaks perfectly to the difference between the integrity of left leaning media versus Brietbart, Fox, Infowars or talk radio. I doubt that even Ben Shapiro is going to be elaborating/correcting and refining his defense of Trumps recent border policies regarding children being separated from parents more often than necessary.


Ben Shapiro QUIT Breitbart because he thought Steve Bannon was an evil asshole, and he told the same to everyone he knew.

Thats quite a bit of integrity IMO.
24   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Jun 24, 8:54pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
To think there are kids in a classroom exposed to......

extremely scary...


Triggered again ?

I teach only Mathematics, some of it fairly high level (by the average person's standards). So I'm accustomed to some people having a difficulty understanding me, even when I'm doing my best to be as clear and straightforward as possible.

Here (below) is a relatively conservative guy, who I consider to be one of my favorite teachers. Much of what I like is his ways of framing and articulating common sense ideas that I already to some degree understand and agree with, but I like his break down. He's a very unpretentious, but in my opinion gifted intellectual.

You might find his answer to the lady at 1:04:28, interesting.

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