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Trump’s Working Class, Conservative, Populist Realignment

By someone else following x   2018 Jul 24, 9:58pm 2,425 views   22 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trumps-working-class-conservative-populist-realignment/

What’s going on here? We know that Trump’s performance in the battleground states of the Great Lakes area sealed his presidential victory, and we know that Clinton, in her focus on identity politics and the virtues of globalism, foolishly took that region for granted. ...

What emerges from these numbers and the Zito-Todd analysis is a strong suggestion that America is split down the middle, and a political realignment may be in the works. The Democratic Party is redefining itself, in part by relinquishing the working class contingent that was once the party’s bedrock constituency. ...

And then along came Trump, the candidate of infrastructure spending, immigration curtailment, protection of entitlements, a ruthless assault on the Islamic State, selective curbs on free trade, Second Amendment gun rights, and foreign policy restraint. He not only laid waste to the Republicans’ “me too” drive to chip away at the coalition of the ascendant, but he did so with a raw contempt mixed with a scabrous mode of expression that was offensive to many but struck others as demonstrating a resolve to shake up a political establishment that had become ossified and oppressive. ...

Nate Cohn of The New York Times foresaw this possibility, though he succumbed to conventional wisdom on election morning by pegging Trump’s chance of victory at just 15 percent. Wrote Cohn in June 2016, “The potential for [Trump] to break through among white working-class voters isn’t merely theoretical…. There are more white working-class voters than is generally believed, and Mr. Obama was stronger among these voters than typically assumed.” In other words, white voters who had avoided the political scene or had supported Obama but later felt disappointed represented a significant opportunity for a Republican willing to address their simmering grievances. That’s what Trump did.

In the process he opened up a powerful new fault line in American politics—Trump vs. the coalition of the ascendant. In ideological terms, it’s between globalists and nationalists; in socioeconomic terms, between elites and ordinary citizens; in geographic terms, between the coasts and flyover states; in foreign policy, between interventionists and advocates of realism and restraint.
1   rocketjoe79   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 24, 10:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'd say it was also between Urban and Rural/Suburban as well. Look at the county vote split, the red vs. blue dots speak volumes. This is similar to what we have in California: rule by the largest cities with heavy populations. Socialist bastions vs Blue collar and white collar working class.
2   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 25, 4:44am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Between the Deplorables and Trust Fund nits.
3   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 25, 6:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rocketjoe79 says
This is similar to what we have in California: rule by the largest cities with heavy populations.


Duh, democracy is when the heaviest of the populations, aka the majority, gets what they want. If you want a live in a majority conservative state move to kansas.
4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 25, 7:13am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rocketjoe79 says
I'd say it was also between Urban and Rural/Suburban as well. Look at the county vote split, the red vs. blue dots speak volumes. This is similar to what we have in California: rule by the largest cities with heavy populations. Socialist bastions vs Blue collar and white collar working class.


Yes, I read a good description somewhere about how cities inherently tend liberal and rural areas inherently tend conservative, and that this is true in every country on earth.

I can't remember the exact mechanics of why that is though.
5   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 25, 9:13am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Duh, democracy is when the heaviest of the populations, aka the majority, gets what they want.


1) We don’t have a democracy. We have a Republic, where the whims if he public are filtered through a system of laws so that tyranny of the majority is minimized.
2) The democracy inherent in our Republic, in accordance with laws established since the founding of the USA, firmly chose Donald Trump to be our leader. It wasn’t even close.
3) Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
6   HEYYOU   ignore (26)   2018 Jul 25, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

More Rep/Con bias. They have no idea what will happen between now & Nov.
If they are conservative why are we paying taxes to support Republicans on welfare/subsidies/farmer bailouts & the Wall?
They love Socialism.

"And then along came Trump,"
"he opened up a powerful new fault line in American politics"

We will know who's to blame if this turns to violence in the streets, President Traitor.

MAGA! With inflation taken into account, one is making what they did a year ago?

bob2356 says
If you want a live in a majority conservative state move to kansas.


Wonderful place! Republicans just raised taxes after Rep/Con/Nuts almost destroyed the place with tax cuts.
The wealthy benefited. Fuck the rest of them.
7   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 26, 4:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
bob2356 says
Duh, democracy is when the heaviest of the populations, aka the majority, gets what they want.


1) We don’t have a democracy. We have a Republic, where the whims if he public are filtered through a system of laws so that tyranny of the majority is minimized.


We have a republic where a constitution protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government. If you are going to split hairs then at least get it right.

Quigley says
firmly chose Donald Trump to be our leader. It wasn’t even close.


Losing by 2 million votes ins't even close? TDS (trump delusion syndrome) is strong here.
8   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 26, 7:37am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Losing by 2 million votes ins't even close? TDS (trump delusion syndrome) is strong here.


Ahhh, that pesky Electoral College, which has been in place for over 200 years....

Damn.... pesky facts again..
9   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2018 Jul 26, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

2 million Liberals don't count, if they don't have the electoral votes behind them.

Liberals have a surplus of unneeded immigrants sucking up their air and eating their foodstamps in the large Cities. And FOR WHAT!?!

So Trump can win an election with a 2 million deficit of votes. Liberals are such Assholes they practically fuck themselves. Just set it and forget it type shit.
10   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 26, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Yes, I read a good description somewhere about how cities inherently tend liberal and rural areas inherently tend conservative, and that this is true in every country on earth.

I can't remember the exact mechanics of why that is though.
This may have been one of them:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/11/15/what-explains-the-partisan-divide-between-urban-and-non-urban-areas/#358a98f433ea
11   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 26, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
bob2356 says
Losing by 2 million votes ins't even close? TDS (trump delusion syndrome) is strong here.


Ahhh, that pesky Electoral College, which has been in place for over 200 years....

Damn.... pesky facts again..


ROFLOL. Nice try sniper/cic. It's only a big win in TDS (trump delusion syndrome) land.
12   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 26, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Losing by 2 million votes ins't even close? TDS (trump delusion syndrome) is strong here.


How many without illegal aliens and dead people?
13   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 26, 9:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
bob2356 says
Losing by 2 million votes ins't even close? TDS (trump delusion syndrome) is strong here.


How many without illegal aliens and dead people?


Trump set up a commission to find out and they didn't find any. Why is that do you suppose?
14   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 26, 9:18am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Trump set up a commission to find out and they didn't find any. Why is that do you suppose?


Uh because HUGE illegal alien sanctuary states like California and New York (where numerous counties had 120% - 150% voter registration) REFUSED to work with Trump's commission.
http://time.com/4840695/trump-voter-fraud-commission-personal-data/

Why is that do you suppose?
15   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 26, 11:52am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Losing by 2 million votes ins't even close? TDS (trump delusion syndrome) is strong here.


Name me the President who was elected via the Popular Vote.

We have a modified system that weights smaller states a big more to offset the difference in state populations, a compromise without which the US would have never existed.
16   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 26, 2:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
It's only a big win in TDS (trump delusion syndrome) land.


And in every single way that actually counts for anything. Congrats on the “consolation” prize of First Runner Up!

LOL
17   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 26, 2:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It’s okay though. Trump is working for all of us. Even those of us who are too bitter and angry to appreciate it. He’s like the Dark Knight. He can take it.
18   rocketjoe79   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 26, 2:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
rocketjoe79 says
I'd say it was also between Urban and Rural/Suburban as well. Look at the county vote split, the red vs. blue dots speak volumes. This is similar to what we have in California: rule by the largest cities with heavy populations. Socialist bastions vs Blue collar and white collar working class.


Yes, I read a good description somewhere about how cities inherently tend liberal and rural areas inherently tend conservative, and that this is true in every country on earth.

I can't remember the exact mechanics of why that is though.


Perhaps folks in the country have to work harder to survive. This breeds a culture of self-reliance, rather than a hoping "Big Brother" will fix everything for you. Simply put, independent vs. dependent lifestyle.
19   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 26, 6:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

But also, people in the countryside probably grew up there, know their neighbors, and trust them. They don't need protection from their neighbors the way that city dwellers do.

20   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 26, 7:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Clinton's final tally came in at 65,844,610, compared to Donald Trump's 62,979,636, with a difference of 2,864,974.

Thank God we live in a constitutional republic instead of a democracy!
21   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 26, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

Losing by 2 million votes ins't even close?

Not in an electoral college.
Hillary got spanked hard.
22   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 26, 8:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Remember when the political media complex was on Trump demanding he accept the results of the election if he lost? He won.

Why can't the losers accept the fact that they lost?

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