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Making America more like Scandinavia

By tovarichpeter follow tovarichpeter   2016 Jul 12, 10:28am 29,753 views   134 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/nordic-countries-united-states/490847/

A once powerful demographic group is losing ground in American politics. For most of the countrys history, white Christian Americathe cultural and political edifice built primarily by white Protestant Christians set the tone for our national conversations and shaped American ideals. But today, many white Christian Americans feel profoundly anxious as their numbers and influence are waning. The two primary branches of their family tree, white mainline and white evangelical Protestants, offer competing narratives about their decline. White mainline Protestants blame evangelical Protestants for turning off the younger generation with their anti-gay rhetoric and tendency to conflate Christianity with conservative, nationalist...

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95   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 25, 12:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/07/hungary-officially-pulls-out-of-un-migration-pact-as-it-encourages-migration/#.W1cxG4yUuHE.twitter

Hungary officially pulls out of UN migration pact as it ‘encourages migration’

It has become clear that differences between Hungary’s position on migration and the UN’s approach are irreconcilable, Szijjarto told a press conference.

“Hungary will maintain its position and no global package can change that”, he added.

“We see migration processes from a different perspective,” he said. The UN believes that migration is unavoidable, beneficial and should be supported, while Hungary considers it a danger to Hungary and Europe, he said, adding that the UN’s aim was to encourage migration whereas Hungary’s goal was to stop it.

The Global Compact for Migration includes some agreeable targets, such as taking action against human smugglers, but its effect will be contrary even to these, he said. A document that encourages migration will only benefit human smugglers because they can then convince more people to set off, telling them that they will be accepted in line with the global compact, Szijjarto said.

Hungary’s position is that it would be unnatural to change the population of the continent and global efforts should instead be made to stop migration, he said.

The migration compact includes certain obligations that Hungary would not be willing fulfil, such as organising training sessions for migrants before they set off and after they arrive, granting allowances to those send home remittances, enabling NGOs to help migrants submit complaints, increasing migrant reception capacities and viewing border crossing as a human rights issue instead of a security issue, he added.

Hungary has introduced “precisely contrary measures” in order to protect the security of citizens, Szijjarto said.
In response to a question, he said that considering that the US had not even participated in the talks on the Global Compact for Migration and several countries had expressed dissatisfaction at the end of talks, Hungary was unlikely to meet with any negative fallout as a result of its announcement.
97   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 11, 4:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says


That's an excellent photo because it describes Polish history in a nutshell.

"Pole" (pronounced with the final "e") literally means "field" in Polish. The country's name indicates its geography. Poland is very flat north of the Carpathians, and has historically been rolled over in both directions: Nazis from the west, Communists from the east.

They don't want to be either of those! They just want to be Polish.
98   OccasionalCortex   ignore (5)   2018 Nov 12, 10:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Nazis from the west, Communists from the east.

And the Lithuanians (yes, Lithuania once ruled over Poland and modern day Belarus and even parts of Ukraine, I think) and after that the Holy Roman Empire and Russian
Empires, followed by the breakup of the former, the German Confederation and its successor, the German Empire in conjunction with the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Sucks to be Poland.
99   Booger   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 22, 5:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://polanddaily.com/105-the-polish-government-officially-announces-that-it-won39t-sign-the-un-global-compact-for-migration.

THE POLISH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES THAT IT WON'T SIGN THE UN GLOBAL COMPACT FOR MIGRATION
100   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 22, 10:44am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MegaForce says
And the Lithuanians


And the Swedes. And the Austrians. Forgot about them. Basically Poland got invaded from all sides.
101   Ceffer   ignore (5)   2018 Nov 22, 10:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

German Sunni Muslims and Russian Shiite Muslims will overrun Poland fighting each other. There is no way out, Poland!

The Pope will just go Beauty Queen, stick his finger up his ass, and pray for World Peace.
104   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2018 Dec 6, 7:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Basically Poland got invaded from all sides.

Yep, as had France, Germany, Italy, and especially Britain. Of course those countries, along with Poland, did there fair share of invading as well.
107   Booger   ignore (6)   2018 Dec 18, 4:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6504471/France-sick-man-Europe-says-Polish-minister.html

France is now the sick man of Europe': Polish minister says Yellow Vest movement and Christmas Market terror attack make the country 'a drag on Europe'
109   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (52)   2019 May 24, 6:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Norway needs to play any music that pisses off Islam immediately after the call to prayer over the public address system & the Norwegians need to dance in the streets barely clothed at Mosque carrying signs: "Must be the will of ALLAH!


Hehehehe! Or dance in the nude holding signs that say, "ALLAH! COMMANDS! US! TO! PARTY! NAKED!"
110   Booger   ignore (6)   2019 May 27, 2:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/27/eu-elections-disaster-globalists-poland/

Providing analysis of the election results, political scientist Marcin Palade said he believes an LGBT march which took place in Gdansk on Saturday may have motivated many conservative-minded voters to turn out at the polls for PiS.
114   TEOTWAWKI   ignore (5)   2019 Aug 13, 9:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
Lithuania once ruled over Poland and modern day Belarus and even parts of Ukraine, I think


Most of Ukraine and parts of Russia (Smolensk region, IIRC). It was called The Grand Duchy of Lithuania then and at some point it was the biggest state in Europe.
115   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (52)   2019 Aug 13, 11:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You're thinking of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
116   Booger   ignore (6)   2019 Aug 24, 10:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Polish beer:
117   NoCoupForYou   ignore (5)   2019 Aug 24, 10:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Finland's last government failed a few months ago over Health Care financing.

Bank of Finland's Governor declares current Bernie-Beloved system in financially unsustainable.


HELSINKI, March 15 (Reuters) - Finland’s social and healthcare systems still need reforming to ensure the sustainability of its public finances, Bank of Finland governor Olli Rehn said on Friday, a week after the failure of its health reform plan led the government to quit.

The coalition government resigned a month ahead of a mid-April general election, saying it could not deliver on the healthcare reform package, its key policy and widely seen as crucial to long-term fiscal security.

“The collapse of the structural reform of the social and healthcare (systems) is of course very troublesome from the point of view of fiscal sustainability,” Rehn told a news conference in Helsinki.

“The problem itself, (the need for) better and democratic healthcare as well as consolidation of public finances, has not disappeared.”


https://www.reuters.com/article/finland-government-cenbank-healthcare/update-1-healthcare-reform-collapse-troublesome-for-finlands-finances-central-bank-idUSL8N2122LI
119   OccasionalCortex   ignore (5)   2019 Dec 6, 12:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Liberal_in_blackface says
Most of Ukraine and parts of Russia (Smolensk region, IIRC). It was called The Grand Duchy of Lithuania then and at some point it was the biggest state in Europe.


Yup. Also called the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth
121   Dholliday126   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 15, 12:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The future is in eastern europe and Russia, western Europe is morally bankrupt and a dying society.

America is at a tipping point, but I think people are starting to wake up to the dystopia a progressive left world would bring. Hopefully, it turns around, but I think it's going to take a 4th turning to do so.
122   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (2)   2019 Dec 15, 1:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So all white?

tovarichpeter says

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/nordic-countries-united-states/490847/


A once powerful demographic group is losing ground in American politics. For most of the countrys history, white Christian Americathe cultural and political edifice built primarily by white Protestant Christians set the tone for our national conversations and shaped American ideals. But today, many white Christian Americans feel profoundly anxious as their numbers and influence are waning. The two primary branches of their family tree, white mainline and white evangelical Protestants, offer competing narratives about their decline. White mainline Protestants blame evangelical Protestants for turning off the younger generation with their anti-gay rhetoric and tendency to conflate Christianity with conservative, nationalist...


125   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 23, 8:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Meanwhile in Poland:
127   MM1   ignore (0)   2020 Feb 8, 6:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Norway invests its money for social security and government pensions in the stock markets of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway

I realize the US Social Security Trust Fund only invests its surplus in US Treasury Notes. It has to along with the Federal Reserve to buy US debt like treasury notes. If not, then the US government could not effectively sustain government operations and debt service. If the demand drops by Social Security not buying US debt, then the interest rate for US debt like 10 year Treasury Note would increase significantly. This will make debt service even more difficult for the US government. Also it could have additional effect on raising mortgage rates.
128   Patrick   ignore (0)   2020 Feb 8, 7:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

AD says
Norway invests its money for social security and government pensions in the stock markets of the world.


While they probably average pretty good returns with that, they are also risking disaster if there is a global stock market crash.
130   MM1   ignore (0)   2020 Feb 8, 10:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
AD says
Norway invests its money for social security and government pensions in the stock markets of the world.


While they probably average pretty good returns with that, they are also risking disaster if there is a global stock market crash.


Patrick, I would suspect Norway invests no more than 40% in stocks in its sovereign wealth fund.

That is why I like Vanguard's Lifestrategy Funds. Each is a fund of funds.

The Lifestrategy Conservative Growth Fund is 40% stocks and 60% investment grade bonds.
131   MM1   ignore (0)   2020 Feb 8, 10:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I like Vanguard Target Income Fund (VTINX). It has returned 5.4% annually since its inception in 2003. Its worst year was in 2008 when it returned -11%.

I think pension funds need to earn about 6% a year. Investing in VTINX gets you close to that.
132   MM1   ignore (0)   2020 Feb 8, 10:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says


Tenpoundbass, my wife grew up in the Soviet Union during the 1980s and lived in Kiev and Saint Petersburg.

She said Soviet stood for Socialist Workers State. Any one who was able to work and did not contribute to the works state was labeled essentially a traitor. They risked being sent to re-education and work camps in the far regions bordering the southern provinces and China, as well as northeastern Russia.
134   TrumpingTits   ignore (3)   2020 Mar 1, 8:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

AD says
I realize the US Social Security Trust Fund only invests its surplus in US Treasury Notes


No. They do not. They invest in special bonds called Intergovernmental Debentures. They are not US treasuries. IDs can not be sold on the bond market and they can be legally defaulted upon by Congress.

They just flat out lie when they tell you they are buying Treasuries. Just like they lied for decades about how everyone was paying into "their" SS 'account', which was totally untrue. SCOTUS even confirmed this when someone sued to based on the believe that their SS 'account' was recognized as property under the law.

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