By Automan Empire
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2017 Apr 4, 11:41am
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Was it you or someone else that indicated interest in making a ballot initiative for men's rights in CA?
I'd definitely be interested in discussing further. I have experience in the process, and am growing a men's rights activist group for things like this.
In the early 90s I was very involved in the legalize marijuana movement, culminating in the passage of Prop 215. Much experience starting and managing activist groups and coordinating signature drives.
About 3 years ago someone mentioned TheRedPill here on Patrick; I'd never even been on Reddit before but it was like finding a huge missing section of life's puzzle. Am now an EC on TRP, mod on 2 of the RP network subs, thanks whoever dropped that back then.
Lately interested in using my activist experience to get Men's Rights off the internet and IRL. I've tried to get Reddit Nerds to meetings with mostly frustration so far, much of this probably amounts to the chicken-and-egg problem. This ballot initiative idea could be a great unifying cause.
Right now TBH I'm having a bit of a problem with SOME elements of the Red Pill demographic, specifically the extreme alt-right factions who LITERALLY want to revert woman suffrage and think no right wing shit stinks. More on that later.
How well developed is the ballot initiative idea at this point?
Automan Empire says
About 3 years ago someone mentioned TheRedPill here on Patrick; I'd never even been on Reddit before but it was like finding a huge missing section of life's puzzle.
I had a similar experience in 2013 when I ran across Chateau Heartiste, and from there to The Red Pill on Reddit. Wish I knew all that stuff earlier in life, but happy I know it now.
These signatures have to be on physical paper, right?
> However I have no experience with this,
I do. New media MIGHT help drive signatures. There are complications. DUPLICATE signatures result in all instances of the name NOT being counted. These and fake signatures can really hurt the initiative. Also signers need to be currently registered to vote.
Even with new media, a majority of signatures will require PAID gatherers. There's $1M right there, and many times that if it makes the ballot, to educate voters.
Is it worth making this an omnibus Men's Rights thing including issues like false rape accusations going unprosecuted? Or just stick strictly to Family Law this time out?
I agree. False rape accusations have some room for doubt either way, and women will always take the side of women in such cases. It's just a reflex that they cannot help, unless their own sons are personally affected. There are not enough mothers of such sons to offset the massive female reflex to take the woman's side.
So best to stick to the most blatantly unfair aspects of family court to start.
Never been to CA. Don't live there. So it would be carpet bagging if I lobbied for a state ballot there.
I think that civil rights issues really need to be addressed at the federal level. Civil rights should not vary from state to state. However, if you have to start at the state level, that's ok.
I invited a guy named Jim to this discussion, because he knows a ton about the California legislative process.